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Limonada-- I guess you have to simplify the argument to an extent where you don't have to take on the larger issues. As to your first point: Prostitution is driven by a view of women's sexuality being a luxury good. A prostitute has a choice, but unfortunately other women caught up in that image do not.
As to our second: well, I know that's a favorite argument of prostitution proponents, but many women get kind of outraged at men haggling with them for oral when they are mistaken for a prostitute. They don't tend to get so outraged when they are mistaken for being bartenders. (yes, speaking from personal experience here.) So if you feel the need to stick to these tired cliche arguments, by all means, keep going.
Posted by mj1212 on May 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM · Report
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@kungfujew: Yeah, I agree, but does that mean we should perpetuate an environment that actively encourages it? What would happen if we turn our energy away from trying to justify the reasons, and into the alternatives i.e. bringing down the hypersexualizing of women a bit and creating an environment where it's safer for women to be sexual? If that were to happen, just maybe, more women would want to have more sex, and men wouldn't have to be buying it.
Posted by mj1212 on May 22, 2010 at 12:11 PM · Report
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@14:
"does that mean we should perpetuate an environment that actively encourages it?"
What is the "it" that you are referring to? If the "it" is prostitution; then no, I don't think we should actively encourage "it", any more than we should actively encourage smoking pot. However, deciding not waste police and court resources on such activity is not the same as actively encouraging them; it's just a decision which would be fiscally responsible and morally honest.
If the "it" you are referring to is the fact that men are more hungry and visually oriented when it comes to sex than women are; I don't think we are actively encouraging this so much as simply being aware of it, while only some of us actually profit financially from it.
"What would happen if we turn our energy away from trying to justify the reasons"
Where did I try to justify anything here? Observing something and justifying it are not the same thing.
"and into the alternatives i.e. bringing down the hypersexualizing of women a bit"
How do you propose doing this? We're essentially talking about making men less horny (not going to happen) or somehow "teaching" men to express their horniness in different ways. Would you prefer more abstinence? More masturbation (if so, would this masturbation have to happen without porn in order to fit your scheme)? If we elected you sex czar, what would be the specifics of your plan?
"and creating an environment where it's safer for women to be sexual?"
So you think a society in which women are less sexualized will necessarily be a society in which it will be safer for women to be sexual? What are you basing this on? Actual facts about societies where women are less sexualized (see Muslim Arab countries), or just your own personal feelings of lack of safety in a society in which women are sexualized?
"If that were to happen, just maybe, more women would want to have more sex and men wouldn't have to be buying it."
A woman who walks into a bar can probably have sex with 90% of the guys in the bar that same night if she wants to. The reverse is not true of a guy walking into a bar (unless he is a celebrity or of similar high status). This is not because the women in the bar don't feel safe being sexual (yes, it's true for some women at the bar, but not most- and the women who really don't feel safe being sexual are less likely to be at the bar in the first place). It is because women all over the world, regardless of their comfort level with their sexuality, are choosier than men about whom they have sex with.
If I am choosier about what I eat than another person, this does not necessarily mean that they are more comfortable with food than me.